Interview with David Kain President of Kain Automotive

Interview With David Kain

This Zoom video call is a discussion between Todd Smith from 360Converge and David Kain discussing how dealership can embrace this difficult situation to become stronger. We discuss the overall state of the industry and specifically dive into process development for dealerships and the need for true leadership during this stressful time.

Video Transcript

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hey Todd smithy our CEO of 360 converge
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and for my awesome conversation partner
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today it is one of my greatest and best
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friends David Kane president of Kane
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automotive who I’ve known for I don’t
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even know how long now but a long long
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time I think before I was definitely
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gray so with that I always say thank you
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so much for spend a few minutes today
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David and we’ll do a little intro and
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then we’ll kind of start guessing some
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fun questions you bet
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so so Todd knows this and I’ll kind of
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share this my family’s been in the car
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business since 1952
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and I came along in 1960 and like my
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siblings I was carried into the
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dealership I’ve got eight brothers and
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sisters and we were put to work as baby
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props when salespeople would need to
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close the deal they would say hey don’t
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you see mr. Cain has nine children so
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you know don’t you’re not you know ho
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tight and not negotiate too much harder
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so I like to say I was selling cars even
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as a picture on my dad’s cadenza and so
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working my way up through the ranks was
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janitor a lot of ten that worked in the
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parts department sold cars and ended up
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running our store for twelve years as a
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general manager and still am a partner
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in the dealership but in 2000 actually
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1999 you know all the world was into the
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Internet the bubble was fully inflated
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and hadn’t burst yet and I was on dealer
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council and as a member of Ford’s dealer
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council we created a company that was
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designed to give dealers a leg up in
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digital and it’s called for direct calm
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and it’s 20 years old now so I’d like to
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go back and my hair was brown then and
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maybe had a little bit flecks of gray
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but that was fun I flew all over the
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country I left our dealership and became
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chief operating officer flew all over
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the country and set up Internet
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and BTC operations for Ford and
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lincoln-mercury and Jaguar Land Rover
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mode dealers all part of the Ford family
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at the time and then wanted to move back
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to the general bluegrass of Kentucky and
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started came out a motive 17 years ago
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and it’s hard to believe that it’s been
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that long and you and I met at the very
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first digital dealers a long time ago
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and we started teaching the 101 and 102
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courses and a microscope put us together
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and was matchmaker and we’ve been really
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good buddies all the way through and and
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now I’m coming to you from the land of
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my grandson and my daughter moved to
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California and like a lot of
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grandparents we followed our kid when
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the baby was born we moved to California
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and that’s where I’m coming to you from
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today but still thrilled to be able to
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help dealers and and particularly during
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this crisis I think that’s the essence
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of you giving to the people who are
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viewing this is you’re you’ve always
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been notable and how you’ve provided
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good learning experiences for dealers
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and you have traveled a lot with
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different motor companies and taught for
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years and I think you’re a great teacher
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and I’ve learned a lot from you and I’m
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really excited to be here with you today
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Thank You Man but this is all about you
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I’m really curious
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first off I know you put together a
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kovat 19 like like sheet for how to like
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disaster-proof your business which I
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thought it’s really cool so I want to
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make sure I get a copy because or I want
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you to post it to like the first day as
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we’ll put it in the first comment on
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here or I can put a link right into the
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thing I just wanna make sure everyone
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has that resources I think it was really
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good so yeah part of the reason why we
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created that what we just called the
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crisis mitigation guide and we’re on
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version three so far
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no telling what else we’ll need to do
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maybe some elements of how you come back
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from this will be added eventually but
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you know what we’ve wanted to do was to
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first off let people know that we have a
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lot of people going through this and
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your Co join with all of your
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compatriots in the automotive industry
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the women the men the young and the old
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and the in-between who are struggling to
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make sense of this worried about their
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health their safety their viability and
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and I think what we saw was an
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opportunity to pull together good
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resources some best practices not
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necessarily and I think you know this we
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like to give proven practices but right
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now we’re just identifying as best
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practices I will know by the end whether
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they really worked but you know good
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resources and and we’ve also got a with
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all kinds of great information scripting
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templates videos that people are doing
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point of sale the Paycheck protection
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program so man you talk about like
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monster learning in just moments I feel
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it’s like learning from like the fire
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hose right now yours like so let’s jump
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in which I think this is interesting and
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I’m gonna set you up here I don’t really
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want to talk about the tech I want to
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talk about the process and people know
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so everyone is now jumped on digital
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retail which it’s good at a very surface
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level and and my opinion is that is the
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tech isn’t the driver of the success of
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that type of tool I think its leadership
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people in process so with that being
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said you know I I assume you’re getting
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tons of calls from your existing clients
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as potential clients as well right now
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who are saying hey I’m moving a digital
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retailing finally you know I’m being
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drugged by the market
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I used to go do this I don’t want to
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because it’s just I’d rather just get
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him in um how I mean I hey I see you’re
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seeing that but you know what are you
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seeing in that regard and how are you
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going to coach that from the you know
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leadership people in process because
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honestly I think that’s 90% of it
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I think only 10% the actual tech and
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that’s my my personal like feeling and
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I’m a tech guy because I’d rather say
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it’s 90% tech but I don’t think it is I
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think the tech supports the process
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really so because I find the dealers and
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another reason I say that is the only
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dealers I’ve seen very successful with
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it are insanely process driven like Todd
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Kabuto store right that’s all in to
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digital retail a 100% they’re drinking
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the kool-aid you know they live and
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breathe it like you walk into the store
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they walk you to a roadster kiosk I mean
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that’s like embedded so what are your
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thoughts on this and how can dealers
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best take advantage of yes so Todd do
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you and I both know this for all intents
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and purposes
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every dealer is a digital dealer and
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there have been let’s let’s call it
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digital retailing Solutions for well
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over 10 years maybe even 20 years what
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we’re saying is the express opportunity
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the streamlined digital and retailing
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and I like to equate it to like when I
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go to the grocery store I can go to cell
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service which is self-service grocery
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shopping I walk in don’t have to
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interact with anybody and I check out
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and I go to the car that’s what digital
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retailing could be an automotive if in
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fact the consumer could get access to
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the keys and do their own test drive and
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be able to move that forward heretofore
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we’ve always had where the customer
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could get price get payment it’s a
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trained value
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apply for financing all of that has
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always been chunked out on the website
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the the trouble was it wasn’t all put
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together so you and I are both good
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friends with Todd Caputo and in fact
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spend a lot of time with him when he had
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a business development sooner and I’ve
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often said I’ve been to more BDC
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funerals and in Todd’s case we did a BDC
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funeral and and bdc director became
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their training manager who’s teaching
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all of the sales team how to actually
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work with customers who shop online I
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want to do this so interesting thing is
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digital retailers great if you as a
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manager can come in the next morning
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saying how many did roadster sell how
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many did not oh if I sell how many did
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you know the digital retailing on all
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the platforms because all of them have
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it did we have any deals last night now
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would it be great you said there in you
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drinking your cup of coffee and you’re
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like whoa the website showed 12 cards
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worth last night let’s get those ready
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right and but we don’t have that yet so
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digital retailing still needs the human
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component the consumer can work their
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way through so largely it’s all driven
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by the instincts and the ability of your
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team and their ability to communicate
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and understand what’s driving the
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consumer because consumers get kind of
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tangled on the axle when they go through
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a website even if it’s really
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well-prepared and it makes total sense
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they’re trying to move in a linear
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fashion that you and I both know when we
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go online it’s like I mean I’m gonna and
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then next thing you know we bounce
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everywhere that we’re in these digital
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retailing platforms so consumer will put
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five minutes in and they’ll say that
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they’ll put 10 minutes in and they’ll
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save it so you know that still requires
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a human component driven by process and
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you don’t have talked about this if it’s
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not working check the process and then
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if it’s still not working
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check the process oh and then if it’s
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still not working check the price
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it’s always about the process whether
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it’s the technology or you know the
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people they have to hover around this
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process and you’ve taught me that we’ve
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seen it work and that has to really be
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the overlay and the protector of any
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good digital retailing process yeah I
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agree I think it’s definitely a process
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game but even ahead of the process I
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think it’s a leadership game and it’s a
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commitment of mental and leadership not
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what the leader says but what the leader
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continues to do in action in support of
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these programs to put in because my fear
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just like all fear you know doers will
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jump to digital retailing right now and
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then soon as we get back to the new
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normal whatever that looks like it’s
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gonna go right back to now just get them
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in the door well we’ll deal with them
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because my fear is just installing
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digital retailing as is will create just
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as much friction as not having it I mean
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because without the right leadership
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communication people in process you know
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tech it text not doing all the lifts for
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you there so yeah you know compared to a
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well-run fixed operation service
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department in the dealership the
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technicians have all the education they
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have all the diagnostic tools they have
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all the tools to be able to prepare it
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or repair the vehicle but they need a
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leader to assign the work properly and
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to supervise in to coach and support and
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that’s got to happen when it comes to
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digital retailing to a large degree is
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you’ve got to have a leader and we’ll
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say here it’s a long haul this is not
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through the crisis this is the way we
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want to do business and be willing to
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pivot as the roadblocks occur because
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inevitably there will one of the key
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roadblocks you and I’ve talked about is
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what about the guy hasn’t financed and
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they’re gone whoa what about us guys you
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know where the closers
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the ones that you know had to do the
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payment it come is reminiscent of that
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movie office space where the guys in
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front of the team and they’re there
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trying to understand different roles and
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he goes I’m a people person and the
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turns out he didn’t greet the customer
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he didn’t greet the N and there’s he
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just forward of the emails and stuff so
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you know ultimately if finance is going
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to be reshaped through this and I
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suspected will ya see a lot of sales
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managers be converged into the F&I
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process consumers trust what they’re
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seeing on iPads on laptops in their own
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smartphone to where they’re doing their
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own deal and I believe we’re gonna come
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out better and we’re gonna come out with
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a more streamlined operation inside and
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potentially have a greater fulfillment
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level for these salespeople who who will
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say you know I can do it all and we’ve
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talked about the the shop Automotive
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Group and you know they for years have
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said one price one person one hour and
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and I think that’s kind of where we’re
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moving and and you know I’m really
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blessed your clients my clients have all
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been on the cutting edge or the leading
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edge of this so the lesson I give them
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when I start up any type of training
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class right now is you’re ready for this
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you’ve been training for this for ten
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years
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this is your time to shine and they
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really feel great about it
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yeah that’s interesting so looking at
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that you know the progressive dealers
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there’s their set of those that are
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always going to take advantage of
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marketplace tools looking for to me that
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that one to five percent edge right and
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now you’re you have this new flux I
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think everyone is crossed a chasm at
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this point into now we’re gonna get
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everyone’s gonna do digital recounting
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so the competitive advantage of it per
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se will not be as great and I think it
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will lead more into the dealers unique
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process and implementation of it so
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obviously a lots of dealers have lead
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people off
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to lots of stores that had like either
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destroyed their entire sales team only
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left managers in place furloughed huge
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amounts of staff and then all the big
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groups have obviously let go between
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I’ve heard six thousand ten thousand
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I’ve heard giant numbers of people that
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have lost their jobs unfortunately which
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is terrible will because of digital
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retailing and if they actually put these
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processes in place
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do they need to bring everyone back or
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if you have a better sales person who
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can do the whole deal through digital
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retailing can you get away with less
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people and more efficient processes in
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tech well so let’s be human about it
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right so first off would it be great if
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the stores I talked to Kevin Riley today
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long-term friend he’s Alexandria Hyundai
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and he’s twenty years in business and
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he’s not laid off our family dealership
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is not laid off anyone and when you when
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you’re in a situation like that and you
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know you know how long our store has
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been in business it’s always the people
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and when you think about thinking from a
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human standpoint yes technology is great
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but if you do personal business
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development something you know I’ve been
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telling for a long time as a business
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development dealership so if you teach
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yourselves people who literally do not
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cost you any money if they’re on
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commission and even if they are paid
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salary and smaller amounts you’re in a
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position where their earnings will
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offset the base cost of having them
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around and if you teach them how to do
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personal business development you can
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actually grow your business so what I’m
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saying is first off bring as many people
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back as you as you can afford to and and
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make sure you give everyone the new
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rules of engagement it’s not about your
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good if you get someone to the floor no
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not today you got to be great on the
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phone you got to be great at texting you
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got to know
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anymo Diaz you got a no but a give is
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you got to be able to be modern in your
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approach and and I’m sorry for the guys
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who have been resistive to this new
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modern way of communication and stay off
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the social media and don’t have a
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Instagram or Facebook or even a LinkedIn
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account time for you even rise up and
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have someone teach you or right now just
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go to youtube and take a class but 78%
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of sales people are those people who are
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active on social media how so their
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peers by 78%
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Wow so we gotta give everybody this
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opportunity to say here’s the new
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reality if you’re gonna be here we don’t
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have waiters we’re not sitting at a
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hostess stand waiting for people to come
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in we are proactively in the community
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we’re joining clubs were building houses
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with the habitat we are out in it so
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that people know that when they see that
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brand on your shirt you’re part of the
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fabric of the community and I think
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we’ve got to engineer that into our
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future along with the technology
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orientation and the boost and if they
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can come in with that kind of enthusiasm
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and recognize that that’s what it’s
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going to take I think we should keep as
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many that are willing to come back yeah
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I agree I think right now any sales
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person listening to this or manager
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triple down in training even if you are
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furloughed or let go trained because you
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you’re gonna need to find that
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opportunity when it comes back and the
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more training you have the more the more
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you’ve beat on your craft right is what
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it is right the more you’ve perfected
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your skills that will pay you no
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dividends in the future and right now I
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feel like since we’ve hit this global
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pause button I call it you know now is
19:38
that time that we can really help
19:40
ourselves become better I mean I you
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know me I read a book a week so that’s
19:44
never gonna change but I I definitely
19:47
upped like now I’ve had more time so my
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writing and other things where you know
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I just didn’t I
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I didn’t have the time and I could I
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couldn’t afford to make the time because
19:57
I’ve been trying to work on things but
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it’s very interesting so now I feel it’s
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like learn those skills
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I mean learn that you know those closing
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engagement skills learn the digital
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retailing platforms as a salesperson
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that you understand them how they work
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what the benefits I think I think
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roadster even has a university don’t
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they that roadster of all of them has
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done the best job of providing resources
20:22
online
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you know auto-fire has done a really
20:26
exceptional job our friend Joe st. John
20:29
he does webcast each week there’s so
20:33
much free learning available even to
20:36
viewers of this we’re gonna give anybody
20:38
access to King University online so that
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they can pick up some of the strategies
20:44
that are proven in today’s environment
20:47
and the interesting thing with is where
20:50
we’re refreshing all of our content to
20:52
be more modern you know one of my
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favorite books is this author Phil Jones
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exactly what to say and I think it’s
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great and and you know you can say what
21:02
you want about you reading Todd but dr.
21:06
Seuss and shel silverstein really don’t
21:08
count except for a couple of books and
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one of them the dr. Seuss wrote that you
21:14
and I’ve talked about before which is
21:15
green eggs and ham
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which is a lesson the lesson and
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persistence and keep trying and the
21:22
little engine that could so you know
21:24
where we will get absolutely right yeah
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I’m gonna break them out too man I’m
21:30
ready still I have a 10 year old those
21:33
books are still in my brain and look I
21:38
mean there’s still a sense in that so I
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think I mean looking at it right now you
21:43
know you’re talking to dealers what what
21:46
are they thinking about well what’s
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going on in that cause you’re having
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yeah so just all last week and last we
21:54
can have is cash flow then the to a
21:59
person every dealer wants to keep their
22:02
employees every dealer doesn’t want to
22:04
do furloughs or
22:05
nobody I’ve talked to said oh we’re
22:08
gonna use this as not opportunity to get
22:10
rid of the bad performers know the truth
22:13
of the matter is most everybody was
22:15
running and gunning we were in the midst
22:17
of a really good year and you know March
22:20
the flowers and the rain and everything
22:22
you know we have another spring upon us
22:25
and everybody was all fired up for that
22:27
and now we’ve got this April law and and
22:30
it’s not the customers aren’t interested
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but dealers are now struggling with just
22:37
cash flow and you know dealers run on
22:41
really wafer thin margins and when we’re
22:44
not turning contracts and thank goodness
22:47
for the OEMs and their good judgment and
22:50
giving floor plan relief and pulling
22:54
back on the crushing interest rates that
22:57
could have occurred and and you know
22:59
you’ve been a Chevy dealer I’ve been in
23:01
the for business my whole life we live
23:03
by inventory turn we’re all students of
23:07
the Dell Pollock velocity program when
23:10
you got to turn that capital so that
23:14
were able to bring more more
23:17
opportunities back in for service and so
23:19
on so forth so dealers are struggling
23:21
because they they were used to that cash
23:23
flow and now they’ve got to apply for
23:26
payroll protection the cares Act and
23:29
they’re helping a lot of dealers through
23:31
that we’re helping them to understand
23:33
the dynamics of how do you account for
23:36
that money if you want to get
23:38
forgiveness for that loan so there’s
23:40
there’s so much going on from a business
23:43
dynamic so if you’re a midline manager
23:45
take the pressure off the boss and be
23:48
spectacular and working the leads taking
23:52
the inbound phone calls I was talking to
23:54
a big group this morning the chief
23:57
operating officer the group and he goes
23:58
it’s so wonderful to see our frontline
24:00
sales managers selling cars because it’s
24:04
necessary and he says I’m running the
24:07
business parts of it and they’re doing
24:09
what they’re paid to do which is to
24:11
cause us to sell cars and not
24:13
surprisingly they had a good weekend
24:16
even though they’re in a state that’s
24:18
had some
24:19
most rigorous shut down box yeah see
24:23
that’s good to hear you know I like I
24:25
feel like news is doom and gloom I like
24:28
to hear the positive stories that guys
24:30
are still selling cards I talk to people
24:32
every day they’re selling cars they’re
24:34
just they’re just grinding through this
24:37
stuff right now and you know definitely
24:39
I heard all the stats like oh well all
24:42
these people are still shopping online
24:43
but the real question is what’s in
24:46
tension like how many of them are
24:47
actually pushing through the process to
24:50
any deliverable point of hey a weed was
24:53
actually created a chat was engaged a
24:55
text message was sent a phone call was
24:58
initiated those types of true metrics I
25:01
think that’s fallen off the cliff as he
25:02
said but there are still opportunities
25:04
there you know talking with Todd
25:07
last week he literally directed all four
25:10
phone all four stores all their numbers
25:12
to his cell phone yeah
25:16
and then he’s getting the first call and
25:18
then he moves it out to he’s got like
25:21
two guys in each two people in each
25:23
store and he’s dancing and you know I
25:26
think that that’s just entrepreneurial
25:29
you know most guys wouldn’t think that
25:31
way he’s like no no no I want to know
25:33
what’s going on with these customers and
25:36
I think as a leader you want to know
25:38
what the customers are saying to you
25:41
thinking then how those interactions are
25:44
different than they were a month ago
25:47
well yeah so let’s roll the tape back to
25:50
1996 when we became the odd about tell
25:53
dealer in the state of Kentucky and you
25:56
could have the host day that was great
25:58
and so I didn’t have an internet manager
26:02
I was the only one that had a laptop and
26:05
so I worked the late because there was
26:08
no job description there was no how to
26:11
take the phone call how to make the
26:13
phone call how to send an email you
26:15
could send an email through the out of
26:18
Motel CRM and ten minutes later I would
26:22
finally so by doing that by being like
26:26
Todd in making you know learning the
26:29
experiences so then you can go to the
26:31
managers and you can say okay
26:33
I got the lay of the land I’ve done the
26:36
scouting here’s here’s the process of
26:38
want to put in place and then stay
26:40
involved as a low enough level where you
26:43
can say here’s the changes I’m gonna
26:44
make so like for example people say to
26:47
me how come you’re so good with tech
26:49
well when you spend hours upon hours
26:52
with the Dale grip the Mac Mac rep the
26:55
Apple rep on the phone and you watch the
26:58
YouTube videos and all that you learned
27:01
it because it’s a necessity our dealers
27:03
today need to use this as an opportunity
27:06
you and I are friends with Jeremy
27:09
Anspach with pure carbs and the CEO of
27:12
the company sells his company and he got
27:16
back into the grind just last week
27:18
because he says I want to be right there
27:21
feeling the impact of what our company
27:25
is going through and what our frontline
27:26
teammates you know you and I just you
27:29
know that’s our nature so it’s easy for
27:32
us but imagine you you’re you get this
27:36
big payout I think what we’re seeing is
27:43
great leaders as you as you call that
27:46
earlier are re-emerging and if they want
27:49
the challenge they want to climb this
27:51
next hill and and I think from a health
27:54
standpoint from a community support
27:57
standpoint from let’s take care of our
27:59
employees standpoint this is a great
28:02
opportunity to really stand up and be
28:05
recognized so we’re seeing women and men
28:07
all over the universe really step up
28:11
yeah I feel like this is like rocky for
28:13
the ultimate comeback right I mean you
28:17
know put me in the ring I just let me
28:19
Adam
28:20
so let’s talk a little bit about you
28:25
know also I think it’s so we’ve met
28:28
we’ve talked about training we talked a
28:30
little bit about you know as you said
28:34
you said dealers right now focus on cash
28:35
flow that that’s what you’re seeing have
28:38
you seen this transitioning meaning like
28:41
three weeks ago was it a different
28:43
conversation now it’s become cash flow
28:45
and then
28:46
it’s gonna migrate into the next piece
28:48
because I think all these pieces will
28:50
have to evolve right you mean we’re not
28:53
gonna stay in cash flow forever because
28:56
once we figure it out they’re numbers
28:58
right I know my burn I know my structure
29:01
what what next do you think that a
29:04
dealer would a smart dealer will dive
29:08
into yeah I think awakening of the
29:11
marketing machine sitting here insane as
29:15
everyone has retrenched are we going to
29:18
be the aggressor in the market are we
29:20
going to go out there and buy the
29:21
keywords and are we going to pay
29:23
attention to those little increment
29:26
opportunities where everybody else is
29:28
saying not ready and I was starting to a
29:31
dealer the other day and I was
29:32
suggesting that salespeople go back in
29:35
the service lane and greet customers and
29:38
do equity mining and things of that
29:40
nature and he was like oh no that’s a
29:43
little too pushy and I was like well you
29:45
know if I’m a customer and I’ve got an
29:48
opportunity to get six month payment
29:50
dd4l I’ve got an opportunity to
29:53
potentially get 0% financing and you
29:56
missed an opportunity when I was in
29:58
there for service to present that
30:01
comparative opportunity I’m mad at you
30:04
so if we’ve done a good job and I
30:07
learned this years ago and you’ll
30:08
appreciate it
30:09
I remind you of a phrase that we talked
30:11
about from time to time
30:12
the point of cell is the point of resale
30:15
and what we’ve got to realize is when we
30:18
delivered those vehicles a year ago two
30:21
years ago five years ago we should have
30:23
ceded the ground for that future
30:25
business so every time someone comes in
30:28
they should get used to getting an
30:31
update I love the opportunity for me to
30:36
be able to go out there today Todd
30:38
thanks so much for coming in for service
30:39
I see you’re getting your maintenance
30:40
done by the way I ran an update here’s
30:43
your current position here’s what your
30:45
vehicles value is here’s what you owe on
30:47
the vehicle looks like here in about six
30:49
months or whatever your going to be to
30:51
the point where you might be the earning
30:53
equity we can start taking look at
30:55
things like that for you so hey listen
30:57
have a great
30:57
a they’re gonna take wonderful care of
30:59
you back here and then you turn to walk
31:01
away and the guy goes hold on we just
31:04
have a baby or I just got a new job or
31:06
tell me about that so we can’t be
31:10
fragile consumers are fragile they’ve
31:13
been stuck in their home they’ve been
31:15
thinking about budgets they’ve been
31:16
thinking about this and when we present
31:18
a better opportunity to them and we
31:20
position ourselves in alignment with our
31:23
manufacturers and we say you know your
31:26
health and well-being is really critical
31:28
we’ve got great processes in place we’ve
31:32
got to your door type strategy so you
31:36
can drive at home or drive at work
31:38
customers are gonna say food thank
31:40
goodness I’ve got the wherewithal I’ve
31:42
got a good job I’ve got good savings
31:44
I’ve got good ability yeah I’m ready to
31:47
take advantage of this and and I was
31:49
trying to a big group in Dallas and I
31:51
said so we’ve identified that most
31:54
customers are needs customers or
31:56
opportunist or maybe they’re just
31:58
explorers so if their needs yeah help
32:02
them out and get them in a new vehicle
32:03
if they’re opportunist they’re probably
32:05
sitting going to hell yeah now it’s my
32:07
time to get out of this car and get into
32:09
another one and the Explorers give them
32:12
an opportunity to give them information
32:13
and nurture them till they come around
32:16
and buy and I think that’s what we’re
32:18
starting to see with the good dealers is
32:20
they’re segmenting their approaches
32:23
based on the mindset of the consumer
32:26
yeah I agree and I thinking on that it
32:29
comes down to I think any fertile long
32:32
sales people as a dealer I would have
32:35
them in my crm cleaning it up right now
32:37
I would I would have cleaners cleaning
32:41
like and I would probably send my data
32:43
out and how really cleaned up my DMS CRM
32:46
get a unified customer view I think it’s
32:49
critical and with as much data around
32:52
that customer so when you as you say
32:54
when you’re coming back into the market
32:56
you can be much more aggressive and
32:58
accurate for deliverability for not
33:02
sending you know Todd Smith for emails
33:05
or six direct mail pieces on a car I
33:09
sold five years ago
33:11
I think now is the time to like this
33:13
pause button so let us clean things up
33:15
to back into the market you know with a
33:19
with your messaging and I think that to
33:22
me is just smart business you know yeah
33:25
and think about the high achieving
33:27
salespeople the ones who they show you
33:31
their smartphone then they go Todd Smith
33:34
here’s a picture
33:35
here’s the vehicle he was interested in
33:37
and his wife’s name and this kid’s name
33:40
and here’s the colors that they want to
33:43
have and here’s the motivators they the
33:47
UPS or you know eCos fans and they get
33:51
veteran stadium seats and their office
33:54
and you know that kind of stuff so
33:57
that’s really the enrichment that we can
33:59
go through and and we start to build
34:01
good habits while we’re coming out and
34:03
that personal business development where
34:06
we really get all the information on
34:08
their family their occupation you know
34:11
the the things that they’re into or the
34:14
scares or the hunters are they you know
34:17
opera fans I want to know all that stuff
34:20
and as we clean out the database let’s
34:24
enrich the database and when you look at
34:27
your 360 tool where you’re talking about
34:30
lead appending the things that really
34:33
motivate me when we can have one of our
34:36
clients go into the CRM and actually do
34:38
that appending of social data there
34:42
picture the things are into that’s
34:44
exactly playing to what we’re trying to
34:47
accomplish I agree and that’s where I
34:49
feel like somehow sales was an art like
34:54
when I mean I start selling cars in
34:56
ninety and the guys who trained me they
35:00
are like master chefs of you know
35:04
customer relationship I mean you know
35:07
everything it’s like a they go to church
35:09
on Sunday they have three children
35:11
he buys cars at this author this is
35:14
where he’s worked his wife his name is
35:16
book she makes a great apple pie they
35:18
have a dog named Bojangles like ding
35:22
ding everybody knew the top
35:24
I knew their customers liked and they
35:26
kept great relationships and somehow
35:29
like the internet came in and jostle all
35:33
this those practices disappeared from
35:36
the business and then everyone said CRM
35:40
is the it remembers it all for you well
35:42
it only remembers what you put into it
35:44
and when you don’t put nothing into it
35:46
it doesn’t remember anything and then
35:50
you’re actually worse off than you were
35:52
before you relied on that type of tack
35:55
like and that was like I can tell you
35:57
like Warren who sat next to me this guy
35:59
crush he was at that time a 35 car month
36:02
gone every month like clockwork
36:04
like he just he was a machine Jerry who
36:08
sat on the other side
36:09
super alcohol lived in her trailer it
36:11
didn’t matter that guy was still 35 40
36:13
cars a month and that’s I got those guys
36:17
were my like oh this is how you do this
36:21
it’s a people business and I think
36:24
somehow we lost that but here’s that
36:26
time where we should be thinking that
36:29
way again and making it personal
36:32
right so it’s so true and and I have
36:37
part of the presentation when we talk
36:40
about this personal business development
36:42
I show this young man
36:45
Brad Butler who works with the Furman
36:47
organization not far from you and Brad
36:50
every day nearly every day has a picture
36:54
of a delivery and that’s thank you and
36:56
customers are posting back this is not
36:58
well this is you know my friends and
37:01
family about 40 vehicles from you he’s
37:04
giving of himself you know you look at
37:06
marks Sanders who has all of his
37:10
customers from 2006 forward in his
37:12
smartphone and you know that kind of
37:16
information bill may who worked with me
37:18
at the dealership bill every morning he
37:21
would come in around 10 o’clock and I
37:23
thought you lazy son of a gun and I
37:25
didn’t know from 8:30 until 9:30 or 8:00
37:28
until 9:30 he was down at a coffee shop
37:32
scooping up opportunities and I just he
37:36
was sleeping in
37:37
so you know we’ve got to get away from
37:40
this put your nose against the glass and
37:42
look on the lot and start making sure
37:45
that our team members really create
37:47
create their own business opportunity so
37:50
if you have a BDC working well with a
37:53
personal business development sales
37:55
person you truly create a business
37:58
development culture and this becomes a
38:01
business development dealership as a
38:03
result of that yeah I love that and also
38:07
thinking on that do you feel we’re gonna
38:09
well I look every dealer operates
38:11
differently and there’s no single way to
38:14
operate successfully in this industry
38:16
that I’ve realized there’s no like you
38:18
have to do it this way mr. Cain
38:20
otherwise it just doesn’t work it just
38:22
doesn’t work that way you can you can
38:24
carve up like the pizza pie a hundred
38:27
different ways that being said do you
38:31
feel there’ll be more of the
38:33
cradle-to-grave structure coming out of
38:35
this meaning training sales people
38:38
bringing the ones back that are gonna
38:40
handle more or do you think we’ll still
38:42
the pendulum will swing more back to the
38:45
older way to do business and just kind
38:48
of grind it where do you think we’re
38:50
gonna end up it’s really curious so
38:53
first off during this crisis let’s
38:56
change it from cradle to grave to cradle
38:59
to sell or grew I prefer A to Z okay
39:04
okay don’t think like hey the time he’s
39:07
born until he dies I’m gonna sell him
39:09
every car he’s ever gonna do that yeah
39:11
and that makes sense so but the point
39:15
Dean is I think it all comes down to one
39:19
word leadership and if you’ve got
39:23
leadership in the Opera on the operation
39:25
leadership is gonna sit here and say am
39:28
I better off having my a dizzy or
39:31
cradle-to-grave salespeople really doing
39:34
their business development activities on
39:36
their own all I’ve got another team that
39:39
is doing customers inequity lease
39:41
returns business development and other
39:45
true growth opportunities stirring them
39:48
up working inbound calls inbound leads
39:50
and the 40
39:51
an opportunity to at least have that as
39:54
a safety net so I think gray a disease
39:57
sales people should be hyper capable of
40:01
doing internet leads handling inbound
40:03
phone calls and then a BBC is able to be
40:07
a safety net during times of you know
40:10
Saturdays or hi-hi appointment times to
40:14
where they might work the leads as a
40:16
backstop but then they also do the
40:18
business development activities which
40:20
we’ve talked about this you and I’ve
40:22
given presentations on there are they a
40:25
BSC a business survival centre where
40:29
they be DC which is a Business
40:32
Development Center and fully 90% of all
40:36
be DC’s or beat SCS meaning all they do
40:39
is handle things that sales people
40:40
aren’t good at and our calls and inbound
40:43
leads some people are good at that we
40:46
know that they just aren’t trained to it
40:48
so what if we what if we did that hybrid
40:51
and we had sales people handled leads
40:54
hema calls and then when they can’t it
40:56
flows over to a BBC team that all their
41:00
day is spent you know developing
41:02
opportunities and generating true
41:04
business opportunities so I think they
41:06
can coexist but I think that the roles
41:09
and responsibilities need to be
41:10
rewritten does that need to be in-house
41:13
or outside and look I’m just saying like
41:19
and I don’t have the answer I just know
41:21
it’s just costly right BBC’s are not a
41:24
cheap unit to have right I remember a
41:28
community how much was computer spending
41:30
it’s like oh my god it’s ridiculous
41:32
amount but here’s the thing is if you if
41:34
you create the right environment the BBC
41:37
doesn’t have to be this duplicate of
41:39
stat they’re set up as the sales floor
41:43
however you look at some of the
41:45
economies of scale that come when you
41:47
have 10 rooftops or 20 rooftops and
41:51
you’ve got a big business development
41:53
center may be centralized opportunity I
41:56
think there are some some benefits that
41:58
but you have to overcome the cost of
42:01
that so some of our big groups have said
42:04
look
42:04
but I’m a factor in the cost of the BBC
42:07
I’d have to sell twice as many cars so
42:09
we’re not going to do it and even if
42:11
we’re not so good with handling leads
42:13
we’re still not going to have that cost
42:15
structure so I think we need two white
42:19
white board this thing and make the
42:22
decision at your dealership what do you
42:24
want to accomplish and be able to sit
42:26
here and say the only way I’m truly
42:28
going to get out from under the cost of
42:30
a BDC is to streamline it and make sure
42:33
that all of my team is a BDC right
42:37
blipping in to train your staff up yes
42:42
in skill tools and set vers fractional
42:46
izing your team with hyper skill sets
42:49
like I’m a master of phone calls around
42:52
the master of equity money or I’m the
42:54
master this which to me anytime you
42:57
individually eyes them out you create
42:59
chinks and armor because if you lose
43:02
that guy you got a plug another guy in
43:05
first having people cross train which is
43:09
an interesting you know thing and I I
43:11
totally feel like you kind of want that
43:13
well-rounded dying person now yeah let’s
43:17
let’s call it what this mean to learn
43:20
degree there are some really great
43:21
business development centers I like to
43:25
say that the ones that we set up are
43:27
really well operated and are generating
43:30
exceptional results for the dealerships
43:33
but you can’t hide from the fact that
43:36
they are expensive if they aren’t doing
43:38
more than just inbound leads and then
43:41
bell calls
43:41
you’ve got to expand the roles and
43:43
responsibilities to make them pay for
43:45
themselves handling service scheduling
43:49
handling and so children prospects
43:51
handling lease returns handling
43:54
customers and equity all things that get
43:56
shoved to the back burner
43:57
except for events like this and then all
43:59
of a sudden and I can do customers and
44:02
maybe give me all the lease return to
44:04
under the guy you can’t haphazardly
44:07
achieve success and and I love that this
44:11
Preston farrier with Furman Automotive
44:14
Group I went in there their store about
44:17
years ago and I used the word hope Todd
44:21
I hope you’re enjoying this conversation
44:23
I hope that you’re comfortable and about
44:26
halfway through you took a break and he
44:28
goes dude we don’t use the word hope
44:30
here at Furman but I’m saying I’ve
44:33
probably said it 50 times because I know
44:35
and it’s hurting me every time he says
44:37
when the downturn occurred in 2008 we
44:41
lost all hope and from this point
44:44
forward we make plans and we have
44:46
expectations so if a manager comes into
44:49
meaning they have to say here’s my plan
44:51
and here’s our expectations guys we’ve
44:54
got to get to that point we’ve got to
44:56
sit here and say you know look as little
45:00
as we want to do in the last 12 years
45:01
since the last downturn we fattened up
45:03
we got a little careless with their
45:06
marketing we got careless with their
45:07
hiring we got careless with about
45:09
everything a lot of fat we got exercise
45:11
trim it off and we’re gonna start over
45:14
but we can’t hope our way out of this
45:16
we’ve got to make plans and have
45:17
expectations that’s a really good point
45:20
I love that that yeah there’s no hope
45:22
there’s plans expectations and and
45:24
deliverables right I mean that’s really
45:27
what it comes down to I love that man
45:29
let’s see that’s like this gems that we
45:32
get when we come that’s why I love our
45:33
conversation so much I always feel like
45:35
I like walk away I’m like yeah that was
45:38
really good
45:38
I’m picking up something I’m like
45:40
learning through cane cane tree man
45:50
however the cake goes I don’t know but
45:52
now you’re like West Coast guy we’re
45:55
cool you’re cool now man you got a hand
45:57
simple you’re like yeah and no that’s a
46:01
really awesome man
46:02
I appreciate us as we at least get to
46:04
talk and I hope others will get the
46:07
benefit from it now one last question
46:10
cuz I always like to have a you know fun
46:13
question a grandparent advice how is it
46:19
being a grandparent which I know is
46:22
crazy because I know you have a new
46:24
grandson so how is it and how have you
46:29
been handling it during this code
46:31
of it 19 because I know you move to Cali
46:33
to spend time with them so yeah so you
46:37
know it’s it’s all about the technology
46:39
right yeah so multiple times during the
46:43
day I could see my grandchild there’s
46:51
Todd Smith where I’m a conversations
46:54
with Ty and there’s my grandbaby all the
47:13
way out there now I mean you’ve changed
47:16
up a lot of stuff man
47:17
Kane has become progressive got into a
47:19
co-working space you know I think
47:23
there’s a lot of changes going on at
47:25
Kane automotive she’s back yeah
47:32
so yeah it’s so Todd this is exactly how
47:35
it works and I get to see that little
47:37
rascal multiple times during the day and
47:41
introduce you to our viewing audience I
47:44
Duncan happy for you and it’s been great
47:55
and yeah man I look I feel like this is
47:58
such a big time for leadership training
48:01
for process training get your people up
48:07
to speed training training training
48:09
training training training and you know
48:11
it’s one thing a lot of times it gets
48:13
thrown to the side when things happen
48:16
right yeah we gotta cut back so we cut
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training and then they cut marketing and
48:23
then we cut other things and I feel that
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you know the better trained guys are
48:29
gonna come out this stronger and I read
48:32
a it was a think Harvard Business Review
48:36
did after the 2008 turndown they
48:39
reviewed something on range or like a
48:41
thousand companies and the companies
48:43
have fired
48:46
first of companies that either
48:48
furloughed or cut back pay the people
48:53
that furloughed and cut back pay came
48:56
out of the recession any much faster
48:59
rate than the people that cut and had to
49:02
start over because it’s getting those
49:03
grinding those wheels to get them
49:05
started you know it’s like starting a
49:06
train all the energy and intensity is
49:10
getting that wheel to turn one and then
49:12
it you know picks up but that takes a
49:14
long time verse never letting your train
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stop
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so it’s interesting I have for our
49:22
progressive clients we booked every
49:26
month with the optimism that we’re
49:31
coming back so you know suburban
49:34
collection in Detroit April actually
49:42
work for March been going away March is
49:44
supposed to go to their February booked
49:47
into actually a later week we moved back
49:50
then moved in April and now we’re
49:53
looking at me honor guard for best parts
49:56
and ones who are really crushing it
49:57
during this downtime and doing quite
50:00
well despite the circumstances all have
50:03
already set up the training and each day
50:06
we get calls from prospective dealers
50:09
saying hey you know we’ve been on the
50:12
fence now we’re ready to commit that
50:13
we’ve got to bring this back in you are
50:15
absolutely right you know if you look at
50:17
that 2008 downturn where we have to be
50:19
OAM bankruptcies and and stuff and chair
50:23
Motors and Chrysler shut down a lot of
50:25
stores remember when it came back and
50:27
all those little towns and lost their
50:29
stores chair Motors and Chrysler and
50:31
like we gotta bring those dealers back
50:34
in a really advantage themselves at the
50:38
time because they didn’t close look
50:39
close points in that level yeah I think
50:42
you look at you employees the same way
50:44
if you can keep the people who trust and
50:46
can honor the relationship with the
50:49
dealership keep them if you can and and
50:52
certainly times you and I can’t be
50:53
probably in and say here go that’s just
50:55
what you should do when
50:57
wherever their life and livelihood is on
50:59
the line and they’re about to lose the
51:00
family store or the big corporation that
51:04
doesn’t have any choice that’s reality
51:06
and we appreciate that but if you’re
51:09
able to it certainly will truncate your
51:12
growth back yeah I agree
51:15
so thank you so much now I know you can
51:18
have some resources that I guess your
51:20
any links for those – yeah and then you
51:22
can share them out awesome well thank
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you so much I really appreciate your
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time today man yeah it was great
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see you later

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